Not Just Another Tax Day....

[Steve Stuck]

Indianapolis along with many other cities on April 15th are hosting “Tea Party’s”. Why are they happening? They are happening because many Americans know the United States is financially bankrupt. Special interests in D.C. now control our tax revenue coming in. Social organizations all the way to business’s that are deemed “too big to fail” are now the recipients of long term debt for many generations to pay. Other countries want to dictate our economic policy all the while they do not care about our citizens.

Hundreds of thousands will converge together April 15th along with the thousands that will financially support these Tea Party’s. The main focus will be getting control of government spending and changing the system. Most of these Tea Party’s will not be having politicians speak at them. In fact, most forbid them because the politicians have had their say.

These attendees are participating because they believe in facing the truth in what is happening. Government printing or borrowing money to save companies and/or running banks has never worked in the history of mankind. Tea Party attendees don’t want business’s to fail because they hate them, they want them to fail so the “Reset” button can happen. In economics, failure always leads to prosperity if you let it work its course. Economies cannot grow forever and there are downturns. How many more times can government intervene in economic downturns? How much more money can government print without facing the repercussions of inflation? The bigger question, how much more do we accept government involved in our economy?

Attendees want more control of their income and the tax system changed for prosperity. They want to change our current tax policy of fatten the government with added revenues and replace it with ways to maximize U.S. economic growth. You will see proposals of either the FairTax (national retail sales tax) or just a simple Flat Tax. These proposals are much better than what we have now. What we have now is economic fallacy that is hindering American business explosion. On top of our 70,000 page tax code, we are now proposing more taxes in the name of the environment or subsidies for the a small select voting block. Older social programs are broke, yet we are about to add more programs that will see the same fate, non productive and more debt.

The final reason these Tea Party’s are happening is because silent Americans are being sick of being labeled by special interests groups, yet still deemed worthy of footing the bill for our government social experiments. Many people want our government to be efficient and not fattened. Yet when the average taxpayer questions spending programs, they are labeled as “not intellectual to understand” or “hating (fill in blank)“. Americans may be lacking in certain areas these days, but they know handouts for a welfare society is not what we were founded on. People want to work and would be more than happy to support a strong government, not a government that strong arms them every step of the way of them seeking individual growth.

Americans will be stripping the labels April 15th and joining together to be heard. These are the citizens that special interest groups in Washington steal from every April 15th in the name of Tax Day.

Tax Day is about to change…….

[Steve Stuck]

I understand where you are coming from but then, is your message that no one should address the situation we are in because of some right vs. left theory that you see to drive on.

I voted for Bush twice and midway through this second term I started saying, this isn't right. Then I started looking at Congress and the Senate and our debt. Then I started looking at how laws are being passed and special interst groups for business's and anti-capitalist groups. So I started reading some of Ron Paul's stuff and other Constitutional writers.

People are going to protest Obama just like they protested Bush. That is the world but somehow in your world, it just isn't right. But you know what, Obama will run us into even more debt just like Bush did. Then what will be left with, the same old same old. Nothing will change because the supposed "Change" is just the same old communistic style of theory based economics imported in from intellectuals.

So what are you going to do Adam? Since you seem to tout yourself as this mystical intellectual of politics.

[Adam Yale]

I'm just not convinced that conservatives are against big government. Well, maybe actual conservatives are but not actual Republicans.

When Bush entered the White House, we had a 6 Trillion dollar debt. When he left office, it was between 11 and 12 trillion. This is the BIGGEST expansion of government spending ever, done by the people who are all for fiscal responsibility. He spent/borrowed more than all of the previous presidents combined. Beyond that, he never vetoed a single spending bill!

So, you can see my confusion here.

I just don't understand. Where were all the Tea-Party folks where when Bush was spending us into oblivion?

This in no way justifies the current government spending, but it just seems a bit hypocritical for people to give Bush's massive spending a pass and condemn Obama who's left holding the bag.


I was downtown at the Convention Center yesterday afternoon and got stuck in Tea Party traffic. Signs everywhere. It only took a a few minutes to see that this was an anti-Obama rally.


So, what are the fundamental differences between actual Conservatives and Republicans?

[Adam Yale]

Taylor, Thanks for the very insightful and thought provokingly ambiguous comment. Would you like to elaborate?

[Adam Yale]

You're right Steve. Labeling sides of this protest is a media thing. I need to turn the TV off! Unfortunately, the media is the shepherd of the sheeple.

But, I have read comments in some forums that say things like, "if any liberals show up to the Tea Party, we're going to kick their ass!"

I just want to see more Americans uniting against out of control government spending instead of rooting for their favorite political team like it's a freakin NFL game. Unfortunately, I don't think that the corporate controlled media is going to let that happen. They have to frame this as a conservative vs. liberal fight instead of people vs. government so they can keep their grip on the system. Very sad.

I can respect a lot of the Libertarian platform. Big Ron Paul fan! I would have voted for him if the system didn't keep him out.

I know that the Tea Parties were originally a Libertarian idea. But, it seems like the whole thing has been co-opted by Republicans as a protest against Obama and Democrats personally instead of protest against a broken system overall. That's where my problem lies.


Does it bother you as a Libertarian that your well organized protest has been co-opted by Republicans to use as a face-lift for their own platform?

[Taylor Martin]

How embarrasing and stupid.

[Steve Stuck]

I agree to your top portion and thank you for clearing it up.

Now for your answer to your bottom question: I have no idea. If controlling government spending is deemed worthy a conversative idea by media, then so be it. If you want to label citizens protesting our deficit spending a "conservative" movement because you saw it on tv, then go at it. Just as FOX news claims it is a conservative movement, you will have MSNBC making fun of it.

The real sense is that people are tired of tax systems that punish and massive debt being built up. We have two very distinct ways people look at our country right now. There is serious dissent and concern by some people that these ideas will not work nor has history every shown this to work. We have another group who feel that a lot of functions of society are best laid within the hands of government thinkers and we can tax our way to prosperioty.

Very much different ideas and that will be the battle to face. This will not get better and there will not be a hand to hand "We Are The World" moment that many intellectuals claim that we need. Is this good for our country, no. Is there negative consequences on both sides, yes. Many countries go through this and only time will tell what happens.

From a personal perspective, I voted Libertarian and probably will be that way for awhile. Progressives will not change me nor dent my self esteem. Just as much as they push their ideals, I do mine as well.

[Adam Yale]

If you're going to disagree, please give me some actual facts that I can look up.


The other issue is the same issue.

You are correct, they revolted because they didn't like being told what to do by the British Government. They didn't like being told that the East India Company didn't have to pay taxes on their tea while the colonists did. They did not like the corporate tax cut that the British companies were getting.

Beyond that, it wasn't even the British government's idea for the tax cut. It was Benjamin Franklin who brought the idea to the British. A huge blunder to say the least.

Check out the Tea Act of 1773


But but....

Back to my original question:

Why are the Tea Parties being framed on the internet and in the media as a "liberal vs. conservative" battle?

Do you have any insight?

[Steve Stuck]

I disagree with your premise that the Tea Party was about tax cuts. I have studied the history of many in that time, the pure revolt was colonists not wanting to be told what to do by the British Government. This then leading to many of battles. I do understand of what you are saying, but that is not the lone reason.

So your assumption is sort of thrown off base with not addressing the other issues of why the Tea Party happened.

[Adam Yale]

Well, to answer your question, I'd have to know who the "we" is that you are referring to.

We as in Republicans? We as in Democrats? -or- We as in Americans?

I'm all for protesting the out of control corporatism that is going on in this country. That is a cause all patriotic Americans should be behind.

What I do not like is that a true patriotic event in American history is being mis-represented and used as a wedge to further divide the American people when we should ALL be uniting together. What I do not like is FOX News claiming that these "Tea Parties" are a conservative movement and they should watch out for liberal infiltrators.

The real Tea Party was protesting corporate tax cuts. Last time I checked, corporate tax cuts was an agenda that Republicans supported. Ironic.

People are easier to control if you divide them.

[Steve Stuck]

So what should we do Adam?