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Permalink Reply by Joe Shoemaker on June 23, 2010 at 4:31pm
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Permalink Reply by margie fultz on August 23, 2011 at 12:17pm Religion is your allegience to a belief system that you hold to be true based on your ideas and knowledge. I believe in good judging..as inside of your place of worship..you should hold one another accountable. In order to do that you need a relationship with the person you are helping to hold accountable and you need to be accountable yourself. Jesus "judged" his disciples..but his way was to teach then allow them to see for themselves what they were doing wrong. Womens roles in history has changed but women are suppose to submit...to a husband that is a great leader of the family spiritually ..and I see nothing wrong with that. That doesn't mean we are to not be leaders or be involved...in fact we are and if the man is lacking hopefully the woman will be the leader. God has an ideal design but because of sin families don't always fit that design..divorce is a good example. We can still follow his examples even though we fall short of what was meant for us...The purpose for religion is to stand together in commonplace and to support each other in our beliefs...with love so as we can continue to grow ..learn and do what we believe our purpose is. For me and my church is to love God, grow in his word and do his will.
Permalink Reply by Joe Shoemaker on August 23, 2011 at 4:16pm Got that ladies? Time to submit.
***for the love of pete...***
Permalink Reply by Marita Topmiller on August 23, 2011 at 8:36pm I've gotten into a LOT of trouble submitting.... So, I submit, that when Paul wrote women should submit, it was simply a case of re-interating the obvious social code at the time. The world at that time had already pushed women into submission, out of the marketplace, out of the government, out of the church (which was itself another form of government), or sitting demurely in the back, through brute force. Jesus, according to the bible, invited women into places and activities in which they were not expected nor their participation appreciated. Partnerships such as marriage are a give and take proposition wherein each party must be prepared to give more than 50%. My husband and I, though married for about 36 years, don't always see eye to eye. I wouldn't want it that way. Sometimes he gets his way; sometimes I get mine. The results are sometimes frustrating when I lose / all the sweeter when I'm right. But I can withold cooperation anytime.
It's interesting that there are 2 creation stories in the bible. The one that is never taught, the first one, is the oldest existant. In the first, God created man and woman in Their image ... at the same time. No rib robbing, etc.
Thanks for your comments, Margie and Joe. God, I've enjoyed this discussion!
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